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Well, we knew it was coming, and now it has. Paramount (Viacom) was really the last big studio to choose a side in the wars between studios and DVD kiosk operators like Redbox. And, for the time being, it looks like they have chosen the red team.

In a press release issued earlier today, Redbox and Paramount announced a trial program that will keep Paramount releases in Redbox kiosks on the first day of their release. From the press release:

“This agreement is a positive step with Paramount. The agreement ensures that our customers will have increased access to some of the biggest titles of the year,” said Mitch Lowe, president, Redbox.

Following the four-month trial period, PHE has the option to extend the program to 2014, with an out clause after two years. In addition, as part of the program with PHE, Redbox has agreed to destroy the product once Redbox removes it from the kiosk.

As expected, it looks like this deal also required Redbox to destroy discs when they are removed from the kiosk, instead of reselling them. I really wish this stipulation wasn’t a part of the deal, but Redbox has said the resale of DVDs is not a major part of its business. And, if this gets Redbox the movies at a discounted rate anyway, it is probably a wash.

Out of the 6 major studios, 2 have now officially joined the “red” team (Sony and Paramount), 3 have been sued by Redbox (Universal, Fox and Warner), and 1 (Disney) has not made an official announcement. We will likely see such an announcement in the next few weeks though, as both “teams” get fully staffed.

It’s not quite the bottom of the ninth with the bases loaded, but it looks like the count is full, and hopefully Redbox can get a strikeout against the big, bad studios.

What do you think? Let us know in the comments.

72 Responses to “Full Count: Redbox Strikes “Trial” Deal with Paramount”

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    FoxWins [visitor]

    Hey Mike – Looks like you’re full of crap. You stated that the early bird would get the worm and that studios that reached agreements with Redbox earlier would get the best deals.

    I’ve been saying that Paramount would get a sweetheart deal because it could threaten to join the boycott along with Universal, Fox, and Warner.

    Well, it looks like Paramount got a sweetheart deal, one that’s much better than Sony’s deal.

    Sony got $460 Million over 5 years, with an expected rental share of 19.9%

    Paramount got $575 Million over 5 years, with an expected rental share of 18.5%.

    So Paramount got 25% more money despite its lower rental share.

    Looks like Sony got hosed and could have held out for much more.

    And it looks like Paramount got the mother of all deals. In addition to $575 Million over 5 years, Paramount gets revenue share, which caps Redbox’s ROI. Paramount also gets access to Redbox’s rental data and can walk away after 4 months.

    The early birds (Sony, Lionsgate) got the shaft. And Redbox is in a total lose-lose situation. It will have to either pay through the nose to the remaining studios or face boycotts and associated logistical nightmares.

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      Michael [administrator]

      How can I be “full of crap”? I am a blogger, not Redbox. I don’t have any special knowledge as to what they are going to do. I only share what I learn, and make commentary on it.

      However, I don’t think the deal with Paramount changes anything about the statement Redbox made about the earlier studios getting the best deals. Paramount is one of the earlier studios, just as Sony and Lionsgate were. It is simple math, really, as Paramount owns more of the market then Sony.

      But why am I even responding to you? You sound like a political candidate who only has a few talking points and cannot deviate from them. Perhaps doing some thinking on your own would help, instead of just spreading the FUD you are clearly being paid to spread around the internet.

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        gerry [visitor]

        Bottom Line;

        Brace yourselves, when things start happening, that just means one thing, a possible price increase is just around the corner. There is no way
        to stop it. It is going to happen soon. Anyway………..

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      Mark [rb123456789]

      Foxwins, you refuse to acknowlede that things aren’t as clearly black and white as you always portray. The lawsuits from Redbox and the 28 day embargoes from the studios are really just triggers to ongoing negotiations leading ideally to compromise which eventually makes both sides money.

      This deal is a clear indication that not everyone at the studios believes the rhetoric you have been spouting. They don’t care about rhetoric, they just want to make money.

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      FalconFour [visitor]

      GO. AWAY.

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      Jody [visitor]

      I think you need a nap. All you do is whine. Everyone here loves Redbox and will always support them. Get over it already.

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    rb [visitor]

    What I think is why can’t these big rich studios at least make deals that involve donating the used dvds to non-profit charities–INSTEAD OF DESTROYING THE USED DVDS! They could make stipulations that the used dvds are donated to community/group homes, or nursing homes, homeless shelters,etc. Couldn’t this be a charitable tax write off for the big studios? Therefore, both the studio would “profit”, and non-profit organizations could also “profit” in the sense of providing entertainment for their residents that they might otherwise not be able to afford. These non-profit organizations just suffered dearly when Obama made the stipulation that the “clunkers” traded in on the “cash for clunkers program” be destroyed. A nice chunk of funds for these non-profit organizations came from people donating their used vehicles –whereas the donated vehicle was then fixed up and used or sold. At least the big studios could step up and do some good for the needy by donating used dvds INSTEAD OF DESTROYING THEM!

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      Mark [rb123456789]

      Nice idea but somewhat impractical. The quantity of used DVDs that Redbox generates would swamp these people and inevitably lead to the DVDs getting further distributed. Also, the studios wouldn’t get the writeoff, since Redbox purchased the DVDs originally they’d get the writeoff.

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    jakoblin

    I really need to know, how in the world did Michael know about this ?

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    FoxWins [visitor]

    @Mike – Okay then, assuming that the ‘early bird’ comment came from Redbox, then Redbox is full of crap. You’re just a Redbox shill…I mean blogger.

    If you do the math, Paramount is getting 35% more than Sony on a per dvd basis. Paramount will get 25% more money and supply 7% fewer dvds.

    Sony got hosed relative to Paramount. And the deals that Universal, Fox, and Warner ultimately get will be even better.

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    Sean [visitor]

    Fox, Universal, and Warner take greed to a whole new level. They should have made a fuss when redbox first started doing business if it’s so bad for them. But no, they had no problem with it. But as soon as redbox starts blowing up, they start hating on them. Scoundrels.

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    Sean [visitor]

    P.S. Michael, you’re awesome. Don’t let their errand boy get you down.

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    FalconFour [visitor]

    My theory is that Redbox will “destroy” the DVDs by simply letting them “fall” out of circulation when they’re reported scratched/damaged (or simply not replace them, and let the stock die out if they don’t want more). I don’t think anyone would have the heart to literally destroy a perfectly good DVD, and letting them “fall out of circulation” is better than simply destroying them… typically, scratched DVDs get replaced anyway, so by not replacing them, they uphold their end of the bargain anyway.

    Ironically, what’s the end result of not replacing damaged DVDs due to implementation of this “deal”? Yep. Lower sales of DVDs for the studios. Chalk one more up for shooting themselves in the foot.

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    alans613

    Michael, I am in total agreement with you. You are just a fan of Redbox and reporting the facts but for some reason FoxWins keeps drinking the Hatorade that Blockbuster and/or the greedy, profit-hungry studio or studios are probably paying him to drink. FoxWins, if you hate the opinions expressed on this site then do us all a favor and GO AWAY. Your bias against Redbox comes off loud and clear…and like it or not Redbox, no matter what, is HERE TO STAY. Get used to it dude.

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      pinpoint [visitor]

      I love this guy…

      Let him keep going….he’s more entertaining than most of the movies Hollywood is spewing out these days anyway! Reading FoxWins is like watching a amusingly bad audition on American Idol! LOL

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    Carolyn Jones [visitor]

    Does anyone know when these restrictions from the 3 studios take affect? More importantly is there any way Redbox can get around the restrictions? Such as a temp court order or a 3rd party vendor. What are their options at this point. I am really nervous about the Paramount deal since it has the 4 month clause. It really sounds like if they see any success in the boycott they will still join in. Surely there is a way around these roadblocks. Any ideas?

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      Sony? [visitor]
      I work with VBG. To find out why this is important, click here.

      Sure, they will buy from Wally or Best Buy. Not easily done.

      As for another 3rd party, If you sell directly to RB you will not get the product from the Source(The Studios).

      The Studios could prevent anyone from getting “Their” product, but I don’t see them quitting Wally or Best Buy anytime soon.

      If the studios were really smart they would “Band” together and sell Directly to Joe Consumer and bypass all middlemen with a digital box that they partner up with to create. Digital would be here tomorrow instead of the hundreds of different ways you get it today.

      Make it less confusing to the average joe.

      Who are the Greedy People folks? They ALL are, it’s just Business. RB putting small businesses out of business is the Apex of Greed. $1 rentals will mean fewer tax dollars in your community if a video related store closes. If the building loses all of it’s tenants because that video related store leaves, even greater Tax burden on “Your” community.

      The Studios looking out for what they think is best is Greed, once again it’s just business.

      I, for one, enjoy Foxwins commentary. He obviously knows somethings that we don’t. Is he right, maybe;maybe not. But I will continue to listen and enjoy the banter. Sidenote: As long as negative terms such as “Cheapo” don’t get used. No need to attack someone for saving a buck, hard to blame someone for that. “Cheapo and Theif” should be used all that abuse the system that doesn’t help RB’s or others cause.

      Capitalism Baby, isn’t it awesome?!?

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    moviecrazy

    I have an idea, how about we all just totally ignore the comments from this DOUCHEBAG FoxWins and when no one will “play with him” anymore maybe he’ll eventually just GO AWAY!

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      Joey [visitor]
      I work for VBG. To find out why this is important, click here.

      This whole debate this is your only contribution. Maybe you should go away

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        moviecrazy

        At least I know how to put a sentence together! Your sentence doesn’t even make sense! If you can’t speak or write proper english maybe YOU should go away dumbass!

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    Jim [visitor]

    Current 4th quarter (October thru December) announced titles by studio:

    PARAMOUNT

    1. Imagine That – Oct. 6th
    2. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen – Oct. 20th
    3. Star Trek – November 17th
    4. G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra – Dec.

    SONY

    1. Year One – Oct. 6th
    2. The Taking of Pelham 123 – Nov. 3rd
    3. Angels & Demons – Oct.
    4. The Ugly Truth – Dec.
    5. District 9 – Dec.

    UNIVERSAL

    1. Land of the Lost – Oct. 13th
    2. Drag Me To Hell – Oct. 13th
    3.Public Enemies – Dec.
    4. Bruno – Dec.
    5. Inglourious Basterds – Dec.

    FOX

    1. Night at the Museum: Battle at the Smithsonian – Oct.
    2. Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs – Nov.
    3. I Love You Beth Cooper – Dec.
    4. Aliens in the Attic – Dec.

    WARNER

    1. Four Christmases – Nov.
    2. Terminator: Salvation – Dec.
    3. The Hangover – Dec.
    4. Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince
    5. Orphan – Dec.
    6. My Sister’s Keeper – Oct.
    7. The Time Traveler’s Wife – Dec.

    DISNEY

    1. The Proposal – Oct. 13th
    2. Up – Nov. 10th
    3. G-Force – Dec.

    There will be others, but no confirmed dates yet.

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      rb [visitor]

      Thanks Jim! Very helpful information. Can know in advance which movies are lingering at the theatres right now, and plan what month to just catch them on dvd instead of paying $9 at the theatre. Michael, maybe you could make an ongoing section like this on your site.

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    Joey [visitor]
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    In my OPINION: Red box is destroying the Video Industry. They are causing Video store after Video store to close, people who contribute to the local economies in their local communities. They are turning the Video Industry into the next music industry. All for what to grap as much market share as possible until they to raise rates once they have saturaed the market with machines which is something they will have to do with the deals they have been making with the studios. The great $1 a day rentals that everyone is enjoying are going to devalue the entertainment industry effecting the quality of films being made and the different places where you’ll be able to find them. And honestly a nights worth of family entertainment is worth more then a buck.

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      moviecrazy

      Well I see you still can’t write proper english or put a sentence together correctly but I’ll still TRY to communicate with you anyway. First of all you say that Redbox is causing the poor OVERPRICED video stores to go out of business…waaahhhhh! If they weren’t so overpriced in the first place people would still be willing to rent from them. Secondly, you say Redbox will eventually raise their rates. Well even if they do they still won’t be priced any higher than the OVERPRICED video stores are now so what’s the harm? And lastly, the GREEDY movie industry makes PLENTY of money already at the theaters without dvd sales, and the quality of films is already pretty crappy for the most part so I don’t think it could get much worse! I hope this “contribution” to the debate is more to your liking since YOUR OPINION just means the WORLD to me!!!

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        Joey [visitor]
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        How can you say that video stores are overpriced. Are you trying to tell me that a familys night of entertainment is only worth a dollar? If so then I disagree. And for red box to have this dollar rental, sure it’s great for consumers right now but in the long run they lose. The entire Video Industry is being completely devalued and the effects are just now being realized why else do you think the studios are either opting for litigation or signing contracts and getting extremely favorable terms. Red box is one of the studios biggest clients. Does that sound like normal business practices to try and shut off your biggest client? No, they are doing it because they are trying to stop redbox from taking this industry the same way the music industry went. And for red box this isn’t about saving low cost DVD’s this is about complete market saturation. They are trying to show profit through expansion. They can keep showing investors growing profits if they can continue to expand once the expansion stops or market saturation is complete this whole business model crumbles in my opinion.

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          moviecrazy

          Joey, see the comment that Sean made below. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

          Sean says:
          August 27, 2009 at 10:03 pm

          Redbox devalues the entertainment industry? A nights worth of family entertainment is worth more than a dollar?

          Video stores cost LESS than a dollar a night. Blockbuster: five dollars for seven days (even more if you take advantage of no late fees) which equals about 71 cents a night. redbox actually costs MORE than ideo stores, they just have the advantage of renting by the night. Obviously they charge less PER NIGHT than redbox, they just force you to rent for a week at a time, which really isn’t fair considering it only takes a couple hours to watch a movie.

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            Joey [visitor]
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            Joey says:
            August 28, 2009 at 11:45 am
            Blockbuster’s Pricing
            New Release $ 4.99 2 day rental only
            $4.99 7 day rental older release(after a couple weeks of release)
            Catalog $ 3.99 7 day rental
            As you can see new releases are not 71 cents it is the older catalog stuff that is 71 cents and new releases after a couple weeks of release. Which reiterates that red box is devaluing the industry

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            Joey says:
            August 28, 2009 at 11:47 am
            Family Video pricing
            New Release $2.59 per night

            Joey says:
            August 28, 2009 at 11:51 am
            Even if the pricing is lower at any video store it’s only because they have been forced to drop there pricing to compete. So redbox gives traditional rental stores 2 choices don’t compete at a dollar and go out of business or compete at a dollar and go out of business. Either way unless the studios step in like they have and protect the entire industry. This isn’t just about studios getting rich.

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      Sean [visitor]

      Redbox devalues the entertainment industry? A nights worth of family entertainment is worth more than a dollar?

      Video stores cost LESS than a dollar a night. Blockbuster: five dollars for seven days (even more if you take advantage of no late fees) which equals about 71 cents a night. redbox actually costs MORE than ideo stores, they just have the advantage of renting by the night. Obviously they charge less PER NIGHT than redbox, they just force you to rent for a week at a time, which really isn’t fair considering it only takes a couple hours to watch a movie.

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        moviecrazy

        Very nicely said! I think most people don’t realize that.

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          Joey [visitor]
          I work for VBG. To find out why this is important, click here.

          Blockbuster’s Pricing
          New Release $ 4.99 2 day rental only
          $4.99 7 day rental older release(after a couple weeks of release)
          Catalog $ 3.99 7 day rental
          As you can see new releases are not 71 cents it is the older catalog stuff that is 71 cents and new releases after a couple weeks of release. Which reiterates that red box is devaluing the industry

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            Joey [visitor]
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            Family Video pricing
            New Release $2.59 per night

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            Joey [visitor]
            I work for VBG. To find out why this is important, click here.

            Even if the pricing is lower at any video store it’s only because they have been forced to drop there pricing to compete. So redbox gives traditional rental stores 2 choices don’t compete at a dollar and go out of business or compete at a dollar and go out of business. Either way unless the studios step in like they have and protect the entire industry. This isn’t just about studios getting rich.

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      Cassie [visitor]

      I am not sorry for the Blockbusters and other big Video stores.My husband and i ran 2 mama and papa video stores and they >>>BBster undercut us and put us all the mama and papa stores out of business…now it is their turn..how many small video stores do you know of now…most of them are gone..because of the big guns we are no longer in business..so for one am not sorry for them what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander

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    Sony? [visitor]

    Nice proper English on your part also. Way to run -on!!!

    I find it funny when people keep calling everyone but Redbox Greedy. Although the fans of redbox are fine that Redbox priced themselves so low that they are putting the so called Greedy Stores out of business. Who cares that Redbox will have to raise prices after they get rid of the competition? Preposterous statements.

    The competition might be overpriced but I think most people feel like they are stealing when they can get a movie for $1 when they paid $3 to $4 ten years ago. I cannot name too many products that have had their perceived value go down so fast in 10 years as had dvd rentals. $1 today would be like renting for $0.60 ten years ago. Technology has made it so easy to abuse these kiosks and I’ve seen plenty of people brag how they get away with stealing. The very same people who think it is wrong to steal a pop from a convenience store feel no pain in taking a movie for free.

    The Studios make way too much money, they make plenty, they don’t need dvd sales or to make more, blah, blah blah blah. Another preposterous statement. I can get by on $30,000 to $40,000/year, I don’t need to make more that would be Greedy. Preposterous.

    Cheering a business to go away that pays property taxes, actually employs people in your home town, makes charitable contributions, etc. is a small minded thing to do. The people in your community that do not rent movies will be less than thrilled with a business that goes under. This will increase their taxes and take away another presence in their community.

    Greed? You still think that other Video Stores and the Studios are Greedy? They are doing the same thing Redbox is doing; they are trying to stay in Business.

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      Sony? [visitor]

      Yes. I have grammar errors. I find it amusing when someone has to continue an argument by attacking grammar!!!

      Note: I like Redbox, but I refuse to stick my head in the sand believing they are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

      I understand the Studios dilemma and I think they have valid skepticism on what $1 rentals and the abuse of Freebies had on “Their” Product.

      As a tax payer I’m more than concerned what these empty buildings will have on my pocket book.

      As a volunteer I concerned with losing another valuable asset with all the charities. I don’t see Redbox helping out in my local community with local charities.

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        moviecrazy

        Grammar problems aren’t your only problems. You also don’t know how to follow a blog. I wasn’t even talking to you dumbass! My comments were directed to “Joey”. Maybe you should learn how to follow comments in a blog before commenting and just making yourself look even more like and idiot! Yes everyone is out to make money but the movie studios have been notorious for being greedy for years and now they are just crying (like you) because someone else is making too much money off them. Again…..waaahhh! As far as the empty buildings go someone will come along and fill them again, they always do. Oh and by the way my grammar is just fine thank you. And I find it amusing when someone says ” I find it amusing” because they can’t think of anything witty to say! Oh and “I run-on”? Your first comment was twice as long as mine…PLEASE!!

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          Sony? [visitor]

          You are forgiven. For being crass.

          And you might note, following a blog, that I stated I had grammar errors. Who is having trouble with following a blog Mr. Witty?

          If you think all those building are being filled in today’s economy, you are seriously mistaken.

          I see that you did not have a crass statement about the generosity of Redbox and it’s local charities. Because it doesn’t exist!!!

          Did I have to be a part of your direct conversation to take part?

          “I find it funny when people keep calling everyone but Redbox Greedy.”, this was my first statement.

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            moviecrazy

            You are forgiven for being an idiot. My point was that my grammar comments weren’t directed to you! Again you missed the point, which isn’t surprising with your obvious lack of intelligence. Whether the buildings are being filled or not in today’s economy isn’t the point. The same thing would be happening if it was a good economy or a bad economy, why does everyone keep harping on the condition of the economy?

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            moviecrazy

            By the way I follow a blog just fine, at least I know what comments are directed to which person and I can follow those comments without getting confused as to who they’re being directed to!

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        moviecrazy

        Notice how this comment and my first reply comment is inside your comment box? Do you understand now?

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          Sony? [visitor]

          I could say, “Get over it Redbox, waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh.”

          But I don’t want to be just like you than.

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            moviecrazy

            You could never be just like me, you don’t have a high enough IQ.

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            Sony? [visitor]
            I work with VBG. To find out why this is important, click here.

            Mr. High IQ you are quoted and saying, “Maybe you should learn how to follow comments in a blog before commenting and just making yourself look even more like and idiot!”

            My IQ isn’t high enough to know what “And Idiot” is.

            Please explain.

            Those that live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

            Still waiting on the Charitable Redbox reply.

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      Joey [visitor]
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      I agree with what you’ve said about how the value has been just decimated.
      The competition might be overpriced but I think most people feel like they are stealing when they can get a movie for $1 when they paid $3 to $4 ten years ago. I cannot name too many products that have had their perceived value go down so fast in 10 years as had dvd rentals. $1 today would be like renting for $0.60 ten years ago.

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    Richard [visitor]

    EBAY HAS HURT THE DVD SALES BUSINESS, MILLIONS ARE SOLD EACH WEEK. THATS REALLY HURT THE BUSINESS, WHY PAY NEW WHEN YOU GET CAN THE SAME COPY FOR LESS.

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      Sony? [visitor]

      Because a lot of them are “HOT”.

      Pirated copies are bad on many levels.

      If you support pirated copies you are a part of the problem.

      Granted their are legit people on EBAY, but there is a plethora of “Bad” copies.

      It’s a guessing game on EBAY so I steer clear.

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        Richard [visitor]

        I have never had a pirated copy, most are brought DVD’s, as you can’t sell pirated copies on ebay anyway.

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          Sony? [visitor]

          Most pirated copies are of good quality, but take a look at a few and compare them to a Store copy and you will see that the colors do not match most of the time.

          If they sell used, probably ok. If they advertise new and are below retail, probably are pirated.

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      Joey [visitor]
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      I believe even the mass online sales that are happening is in part due to all the previously viewed product being brought to market by red box after they leave the machines I think that’s why all the studios are asking that everything is destroyed in these new contracts after it leaves the machine to protect the sell through side of the business.

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      Joey [visitor]
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      I believe alot of these copies being sold online are the previously viewed leaving these machines. That is why the studios are asking that product is destroyed after the movies leave the machine in an attempt to protect the sell thru side of the bussiness.

      better ask moviecrazy if this is an acceptable use of english I wouldn’t want him to get offended

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        moviecrazy

        I don’t know, that depends on what “bussiness” is! And what the hell are you trying to say here moron?… “in an attempt to protect the sell thru side of the bussiness” I’m sorry I don’t speak the moron language! Please explain, if you think your little pea brain is capable!

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          Joey [visitor]
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          why don’t you try being part of the discussion instead of your attempts at being an english teacher. And sorry “business” like mind your own business! You really just show small mindedness when you concentrate on stupid things like spelling errors instead of the content of whats being said.

          ok moviecrazy insert more small minded comments right below this we all know you will
          see below

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          Mark [rb123456789]

          Thank you for so diligently trying to improve the quality of this blog. In much the same way that that I am trying to improve the quality of my lawn when I let my dog outside to do his business.

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            moviecrazy

            You’re welcome ahole. Why don’t you just let your dog do his business on your head since that’s what you are. And as I’ve said in the past, why don’t you “diligently” mind your own business!

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            Joey [visitor]
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            you had to know the comment would come and there it is way to not disappoint moviecrazy once again

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            moviecrazy

            Thanks man, as long a you jerks keep making the asinine comments to me I’ll keep firing them back at ya. I sure wouldn’t want to disappoint my “genius” heroes on here now would I?

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    JJJ [visitor]

    Isn’t making agreements like this when there’s pending litigation that may make those agreements moot kinda stupid?

    I think they are showing that they have a weak case and they are possibly acknowledging that the studios do have a right to restrict distribution to only one outlet (Redbox).

    In my opinion, Redbox has a good case and should win because the studios really should have to make the same restrictions on everyone or they are being anti-competitive by forcing only one company to lose revenue over their policies.

    It’s like they are siding with Blockbuster in trying to put Redbox out of business (and it’s possible there are some $$ connections behind the scenes, or stock options, you never know, someone should check the holdings of studio execs).

    So they really shouldn’t be making any deals until the pending case is resolved. And the F-ing studios should just keep doing what they have been doing for many years now, it hasn’t hurt them in the past, and one little outlet from of the many they have can’t be that much of a burden.

    I see a preliminary injunction against the studios coming soon.

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      Agree. I think Redbox has a strong case against the studios and will win. Redbox just needs to liken it to/make the analogy of Employee Law and Benefits–or in this case ‘restriction/denial’ of a benefit. With Employee Law, if an Employer CHOOSES to provide a benefit to one employee, BY LAW the Employer must then provide that same benefit to ALL employees of the same position/status/doing the same work/service. With this analogy, if the studio CHOOSES to provide new releases IMMEDIATELY (benefit being “immediately”) to one business–Blockbuster, or Hollywood Video, etc) that do the same work/service of renting their dvds as Redbox, then that studio must provide that SAME ‘immediate’ benefit to ALL rental businesses, INCLUDING REDBOX. I understand that the studios are not the employer for BB,HV, Redbox, etc–just making an analogy here using Employer/Employee Law as a basis. I think Redbox will win because the studios have made the CHOICE to single out and deny Redbox something that they knowingly provide/grant other rental businesses. Just seems something very unlawful about that!

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        Jim [visitor]

        if the studio CHOOSES to provide new releases IMMEDIATELY (benefit being “immediately”) to one business–Blockbuster, or Hollywood Video, etc) that do the same work/service of renting their dvds as Redbox, then that studio must provide that SAME ‘immediate’ benefit to ALL rental businesses, INCLUDING REDBOX.

        What bout when Wal-Mart exclusive rights to sells CD’s from recording artists, such as the upcoming new KISS cd?

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          Joey [visitor]
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          Red Box can access the titles immediatley from any retail outlet they choose they just have to pay full price. The Studios are not obligated to make the titles available to them directly.

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        Mark [rb123456789]

        “just seems something unlawful about that”

        Several people at times on this blog have claimed that renting out DVDs bought at retail must be against the law. But it isn’t, which just goes to show that you can’t always use how it “seems” as a guide.

        In general no company is forced to sell directly to everyone. The Weinstein exclusive deal with Blockbuster should be sufficient proof that that holds true in the DVD industry.

        As I’ve said before, I think Redbox will likely lose, but lawsuits can hinge on the smallest of details and so there is certainly still a chance Redbox will win.

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    “I think Redbox will win because the studios have made the CHOICE to single out and deny Redbox something that they knowingly provide/grant other rental businesses.”

    Every business has the right to deny services/products to any customer that they choose for any reason.

    However, this does not mean that said customer cannot get services/products from another source.

    The truly hurt provider is the middleman and they have agreed to follow the studios requests without filing a single lawsuit.

    The Studios could cut out middlemen entirely and make every single rental outlet have to buy at retail if they so choose. Warner has appeared to take this route to some extent.

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      As much as I hate to say it, I think the studios will win fairly easily on this. They are restricting all kiosk machines including Blockbusters. Personally I don’t understand the legal mumbo jumbo that would allow the studios to restrict Redbox but since much of our trade law does not make sense it does not surprise me.

      The one friend I do have that seems to understand how these things work was extremely certain that the studios are well within their rights. Can anyone here explain the precedent for this?

      On the positive side I think Disney not announcing either way means they must be close to a deal with redbox as we speak. Anyone have an inside scoop on how they are leaning?

      As for the earlier statement about Redbox taking away from local charities, how do we know they don’t. I’m not saying they do, but I don’t even know if my local Sears gives to charity much less Redbox.

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        I think Disney is taking the wait and see approach. And for that matter I believe Paramount is doing the same thing that is why in the contract they have red box has to supply all the numbers on rentals so they can compare them with the sell thru and make a decision on how much it is affecting it. With that information they included an out in the contract after 4 months which if the studios win in Litigation I would assume they would exercise.

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        Sears has a whole show dedicated to it on ABC on a national level. Plus these local companies are hit up by girl scouts, boy scouts, universities, non profits and benefits personally on a daily basis.

        There isn’t anyone manning these kiosks to hit up a donation.

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        rb [visitor]

        After a certain period of time if clearance clothes/items and/or returned items don’t sell at the Target stores, Target has a deal with Goodwill to donates those brand new clothes/items to my local Goodwills for Goodwill to sell and profit. Other tv home shopping outlets and clothing companies seem to do the same with Goodwill. Therefore, I still think the studios could make a stipulation deal with Redbox and other dvd rental businesses to donate the used studio dvds to charitable orginazations like Goodwill, etc. instead of destroying the dvds. Maybe I’m just a ‘cheapo’ and can’t understand destroying items when someone else less fortunate can use and enjoy them.

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      I disagree because redbax has made it extremely clear that they can still access the titles through there workarounds. Also red box can access the titles still through retail just like anybody else. I believe the studios will win because the have the right to do business with who they choose. Also red box wasn’t singled out this involves all kiosk.

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    Hello, Well this indeed has been a new week , the new pages and all the hot new news ofcourse! This is a new weeks begining , lets see just what it brings. All the fuss and muss over the Bird day and there is black Friday you know! See you-all at one of the redboxs in the corner of your world!

    Be safe!