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		<title>By: Redbox Begins Testing Higher Rental Prices &#124; Inside Redbox</title>
		<link>http://www.insideredbox.com/coinstar-ceo-redbox-in-daily-negotiations-with-studios/comment-page-1/#comment-41167</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbox Begins Testing Higher Rental Prices &#124; Inside Redbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tests support Coinstar CEO Paul Davis&#8217; comments last month that at least some Redbox kiosks had software installed that would allow variable [...]</description>
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		<title>By: greye</title>
		<link>http://www.insideredbox.com/coinstar-ceo-redbox-in-daily-negotiations-with-studios/comment-page-1/#comment-40427</link>
		<dc:creator>greye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Small:

Go back and read Michael&#039;s (the administrator) statement, before posting another pointless comment disguised as a question. Once you read it, you&#039;ll understand why you should have read it before posting your comment. K?  Thanks.</description>
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<p>Go back and read Michael&#8217;s (the administrator) statement, before posting another pointless comment disguised as a question. Once you read it, you&#8217;ll understand why you should have read it before posting your comment. K?  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbox Expected to Hit $1 Billion in Sales in 2010 &#124; Inside Redbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redbox Expected to Hit $1 Billion in Sales in 2010 &#124; Inside Redbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Friday, the Chicago Tribune ran a story chronicling Redbox&#8217;s history, its recent scuffles with some major Hollywood players and its rise to become one of the titans of its industry. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Small</title>
		<link>http://www.insideredbox.com/coinstar-ceo-redbox-in-daily-negotiations-with-studios/comment-page-1/#comment-39993</link>
		<dc:creator>John Small</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wal-Mart buys more DVDs than Redbox. Blockbuster buys more DVDs than Redbox.

Why should Redbox expect to pay less than Wal-Mart and Blockbuster?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wal-Mart buys more DVDs than Redbox. Blockbuster buys more DVDs than Redbox.</p>
<p>Why should Redbox expect to pay less than Wal-Mart and Blockbuster?</p>
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		<title>By: John Small</title>
		<link>http://www.insideredbox.com/coinstar-ceo-redbox-in-daily-negotiations-with-studios/comment-page-1/#comment-39991</link>
		<dc:creator>John Small</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was talking to one of the higher ups from Warner earlier this week and asked him about his opinion of Redbox and the negotiations.

His opinion is that Redbox has burned a lot of bridges over the last couple of weeks trying to play hardball with the studios. Every one of these press releases is making the powers that be dig their heels in even more.

Finally, he said that if Redbox wants to revenue share like the BB or the indies then this lawsuit will be over in seconds. Unfortunately, Redbox would be out of business in 3 months at those levels. 

What is the expected COGs at those levels? About $10.00 a disc. So you know that Redbox is paying less than that if they won&#039;t agree to that deal.

Looks like Redbox is up a creek without a paddle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking to one of the higher ups from Warner earlier this week and asked him about his opinion of Redbox and the negotiations.</p>
<p>His opinion is that Redbox has burned a lot of bridges over the last couple of weeks trying to play hardball with the studios. Every one of these press releases is making the powers that be dig their heels in even more.</p>
<p>Finally, he said that if Redbox wants to revenue share like the BB or the indies then this lawsuit will be over in seconds. Unfortunately, Redbox would be out of business in 3 months at those levels. </p>
<p>What is the expected COGs at those levels? About $10.00 a disc. So you know that Redbox is paying less than that if they won&#8217;t agree to that deal.</p>
<p>Looks like Redbox is up a creek without a paddle.</p>
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		<title>By: dillyclm</title>
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		<dc:creator>dillyclm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey igloo, isn&#039;t that why the studios introduced the bluray discs, to replace a dying form of media and still play to the interest of the consumers. the cost to reproduce DVD&#039;s has gotten cheaper and studios still want to charge the same price before the dawn of bluray. Although redbox rents blurays at $1, I don&#039;t think it can sustain that price once bluray is the status quo and they have to start stocking more bluray discs in their kiosks. But to suggest that Redbox is devaluing a form of media that was waning before $1 rental kiosks, is disingenuous.  Redbox is to the film industry  as iPod was to the music industry. Change is inevitable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey igloo, isn&#8217;t that why the studios introduced the bluray discs, to replace a dying form of media and still play to the interest of the consumers. the cost to reproduce DVD&#8217;s has gotten cheaper and studios still want to charge the same price before the dawn of bluray. Although redbox rents blurays at $1, I don&#8217;t think it can sustain that price once bluray is the status quo and they have to start stocking more bluray discs in their kiosks. But to suggest that Redbox is devaluing a form of media that was waning before $1 rental kiosks, is disingenuous.  Redbox is to the film industry  as iPod was to the music industry. Change is inevitable!</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.insideredbox.com/coinstar-ceo-redbox-in-daily-negotiations-with-studios/comment-page-1/#comment-39957</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is indeed a great counterpoint to Lowe&#039;s article. We&#039;re actually going to be putting up a post about this later tonight.</description>
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		<title>By: igloo</title>
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		<dc:creator>igloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is from a heavyweight in the video industry and directly contrast a posting on this site the other day: 

found at http://www.thewrap.com/blog-entry/redbox-roulette-gambling-industrys-future-8360

TheWrap recently ran a blog post by Redbox CEO Mitch Lowe titled, &quot;We Are the Engine for Industry Growth.&quot; Lowe states that Redbox’s business -- based on $1 DVD rentals -- will &quot;grow overall interest in and purchase of DVD entertainment.&quot;

As the CEO of a Hastings Entertainment, a retailer that pioneered low-cost rentals, I understand firsthand Lowe’s enthusiasm for $1 DVD rentals. Consumers love the price, and we love the increased business that $1 DVD rentals bring.

But there is one crucial issue involving $1 DVDs that Lowe fails to address -- and it must be acted upon if we want to prevent what is happening to the newspaper industry from happening to the entertainment industry: We must prevent the devaluation of new entertainment products.

We simply cannot give away products that cost hundred of millions of dollars to produce or else we will end up just like the newspaper industry, which now has an unsustainable business model.

Once the main product of an industry is artificially devalued, the negative economic impacts will ripple throughout the industry, impacting the workers and businesses that rely on the overall industry. Let&#039;s not create a modern-day &quot;Goose that laid the golden egg&quot; parable.

I believe there is a solution that allows Redbox to continue charging $1 for DVDs -- on a release schedule that fits in with the current model of the entertainment industry. The movie business has an established release model -- called a windowing model -- based on releasing movies, pricing tickets, and selling and renting DVDs. Instead of disrupting this model by renting $1 DVDs as soon as they become available, Redbox needs to compromise by integrating itself into this established industry model.

Here is how the release windows work: The studios initially provide their movie to theater owners, enabling them to provide consumers with national access to a wide variety of films. Then that content goes to the home entertainment window, where consumers can buy or rent a physical copy or an electronic copy of a film. The content then travels to the pay TV window, and finally to cable.

The Redbox $1 movie rentals cannot expect to disrupt this model without having disastrous consequences for the income streams of the movie industry.

For example, if new releases would be available for $1 rental, consumers would be encouraged to forgo watching a movie in the theaters and instead wait a few months. Consumers would be discouraged from renting from bricks-and-mortar video stores -- putting these stores out of business and reducing access to the thousands of movies that can&#039;t fit into a kiosk. Consumers would be discouraged from watching the movie on pay TV or streaming to their computer for $3.99 when the movie can be rented for a single dollar. Consumers might not buy a DVD if they know they can rent it occasionally for just $1. And the examples go on and on. If movies are devalued in this way, those who work in the movie industry will be directly harmed. Reduced industry revenues will mean that fewer movies are produced -- directly reducing the number of jobs available to people who work both in front of and behind the cameras.

These negative impacts are not theoretical. The decision by the management of newspaper companies to give away their product online is now having extraordinarily serious economic consequences -- not just for the management of these newspaper companies, but for the workers and reporters who have lost their jobs by the tens of thousands.

Mitch Lowe’s approach to $1 DVD rentals might make him a lot of money in the near term, but it will destroy the entertainment business and result in thousands of lost jobs in the months ahead. There is a way to prevent that from happening if Redbox would try to work with the entertainment industry instead of against it. $1 movie rentals have a role in the entertainment industry&#039;s &quot;windowing model,&quot; and if Redbox truly has the consumer&#039;s best interests in mind, it will work with the studios on an appropriate release model. Now that would be a true win-win-win for Redbox, the movie studios and consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from a heavyweight in the video industry and directly contrast a posting on this site the other day: </p>
<p>found at <a href="http://www.thewrap.com/blog-entry/redbox-roulette-gambling-industrys-future-8360" rel="nofollow">http://www.thewrap.com/blog-entry/redbox-roulette-gambling-industrys-future-8360</a></p>
<p>TheWrap recently ran a blog post by Redbox CEO Mitch Lowe titled, &#8220;We Are the Engine for Industry Growth.&#8221; Lowe states that Redbox’s business &#8212; based on $1 DVD rentals &#8212; will &#8220;grow overall interest in and purchase of DVD entertainment.&#8221;</p>
<p>As the CEO of a Hastings Entertainment, a retailer that pioneered low-cost rentals, I understand firsthand Lowe’s enthusiasm for $1 DVD rentals. Consumers love the price, and we love the increased business that $1 DVD rentals bring.</p>
<p>But there is one crucial issue involving $1 DVDs that Lowe fails to address &#8212; and it must be acted upon if we want to prevent what is happening to the newspaper industry from happening to the entertainment industry: We must prevent the devaluation of new entertainment products.</p>
<p>We simply cannot give away products that cost hundred of millions of dollars to produce or else we will end up just like the newspaper industry, which now has an unsustainable business model.</p>
<p>Once the main product of an industry is artificially devalued, the negative economic impacts will ripple throughout the industry, impacting the workers and businesses that rely on the overall industry. Let&#8217;s not create a modern-day &#8220;Goose that laid the golden egg&#8221; parable.</p>
<p>I believe there is a solution that allows Redbox to continue charging $1 for DVDs &#8212; on a release schedule that fits in with the current model of the entertainment industry. The movie business has an established release model &#8212; called a windowing model &#8212; based on releasing movies, pricing tickets, and selling and renting DVDs. Instead of disrupting this model by renting $1 DVDs as soon as they become available, Redbox needs to compromise by integrating itself into this established industry model.</p>
<p>Here is how the release windows work: The studios initially provide their movie to theater owners, enabling them to provide consumers with national access to a wide variety of films. Then that content goes to the home entertainment window, where consumers can buy or rent a physical copy or an electronic copy of a film. The content then travels to the pay TV window, and finally to cable.</p>
<p>The Redbox $1 movie rentals cannot expect to disrupt this model without having disastrous consequences for the income streams of the movie industry.</p>
<p>For example, if new releases would be available for $1 rental, consumers would be encouraged to forgo watching a movie in the theaters and instead wait a few months. Consumers would be discouraged from renting from bricks-and-mortar video stores &#8212; putting these stores out of business and reducing access to the thousands of movies that can&#8217;t fit into a kiosk. Consumers would be discouraged from watching the movie on pay TV or streaming to their computer for $3.99 when the movie can be rented for a single dollar. Consumers might not buy a DVD if they know they can rent it occasionally for just $1. And the examples go on and on. If movies are devalued in this way, those who work in the movie industry will be directly harmed. Reduced industry revenues will mean that fewer movies are produced &#8212; directly reducing the number of jobs available to people who work both in front of and behind the cameras.</p>
<p>These negative impacts are not theoretical. The decision by the management of newspaper companies to give away their product online is now having extraordinarily serious economic consequences &#8212; not just for the management of these newspaper companies, but for the workers and reporters who have lost their jobs by the tens of thousands.</p>
<p>Mitch Lowe’s approach to $1 DVD rentals might make him a lot of money in the near term, but it will destroy the entertainment business and result in thousands of lost jobs in the months ahead. There is a way to prevent that from happening if Redbox would try to work with the entertainment industry instead of against it. $1 movie rentals have a role in the entertainment industry&#8217;s &#8220;windowing model,&#8221; and if Redbox truly has the consumer&#8217;s best interests in mind, it will work with the studios on an appropriate release model. Now that would be a true win-win-win for Redbox, the movie studios and consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a lot of comments on this site that claim that Redbox is charging too little for their rentals and they are devaluing the movies.  I don&#039;t understand why they are viewed that way.  Back in the VHS days when most tapes were around $100 each, higher priced rental charges made sense.  Now that the DVDs are about $15.00 each, a dollar per day sounds like a fair price.  That dollar per day rental today would have been the equivalent to almost $7.00 per day back in the VHS days based off of $100 VHS and $15.00 DVD.  I don&#039;t remember rental charges that high.  Maybe I am missing something, but I see nothing wrong with Redbox.

I have not been to a rental store in awhile, but I remember most of them charged $4.00-5.00 per rental, but you got the movie for 3-5 days.  $1.00 per day is not far off of that.  Plus I thought I read somewhere that the average Redbox renter keeps the movie for an additional day.  I welcome everyone&#039;s thoughts.  -Mikey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a lot of comments on this site that claim that Redbox is charging too little for their rentals and they are devaluing the movies.  I don&#8217;t understand why they are viewed that way.  Back in the VHS days when most tapes were around $100 each, higher priced rental charges made sense.  Now that the DVDs are about $15.00 each, a dollar per day sounds like a fair price.  That dollar per day rental today would have been the equivalent to almost $7.00 per day back in the VHS days based off of $100 VHS and $15.00 DVD.  I don&#8217;t remember rental charges that high.  Maybe I am missing something, but I see nothing wrong with Redbox.</p>
<p>I have not been to a rental store in awhile, but I remember most of them charged $4.00-5.00 per rental, but you got the movie for 3-5 days.  $1.00 per day is not far off of that.  Plus I thought I read somewhere that the average Redbox renter keeps the movie for an additional day.  I welcome everyone&#8217;s thoughts.  -Mikey</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you 100% on one point: the playing field should be level for all DVD retailers.

The difference is, I think the studios are trying to make the playing field unlevel, which is why Redbox sued them, not the other way around.  I don&#039;t think Redbox is asking for lower prices from the studios, they are asking for &quot;day and date&quot; rentals, which the studios are trying to take away from this.

However, I do think Redbox should get as good as prices as they can from those they buy their DVDs from.  Just because you buy 30 copies of a hit title from a wholesaler at $15 per DVD, doesn&#039;t mean Redbox should be forced to pay that.  Considering they might buy 200,000 copies of that same DVD, a wholesale might choose to discount their price to $12 per DVD.  Are you saying that is wrong?  If so, you are advocating price fixing, which in many instances is against the law.

With all of the debate around this issue lately, I think friends of the studios are trying to obfuscate the issue, talking about &quot;devaluing the industry&#039; and a &quot;broken business model&quot;.  If Redbox&#039;s business model is &quot;broken&quot;, they will be forced to change it or go out of business. But, if on a level playing field, Redbox can charge $1 per night for rentals and still make a profit, than they should be able to do so.  

I agree that studios should be able to charge whatever they want for their product, as long as they are doing it across the board based on standard or volume pricing.  If they charge wholesalers $11, and wholesalers are content on charging Redbox $12, and Redbox makes a profit and is happy, what is the problem?

What I think the studios are trying to do is make an unlevel playing field by telling kiosk owners that they can&#039;t rent their DVDs until x days after a release, but if you are a brick-and-mortar store, or Netflix (sort of), go ahead and rent them the same day.  Do you really call that level?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you 100% on one point: the playing field should be level for all DVD retailers.</p>
<p>The difference is, I think the studios are trying to make the playing field unlevel, which is why Redbox sued them, not the other way around.  I don&#8217;t think Redbox is asking for lower prices from the studios, they are asking for &#8220;day and date&#8221; rentals, which the studios are trying to take away from this.</p>
<p>However, I do think Redbox should get as good as prices as they can from those they buy their DVDs from.  Just because you buy 30 copies of a hit title from a wholesaler at $15 per DVD, doesn&#8217;t mean Redbox should be forced to pay that.  Considering they might buy 200,000 copies of that same DVD, a wholesale might choose to discount their price to $12 per DVD.  Are you saying that is wrong?  If so, you are advocating price fixing, which in many instances is against the law.</p>
<p>With all of the debate around this issue lately, I think friends of the studios are trying to obfuscate the issue, talking about &#8220;devaluing the industry&#8217; and a &#8220;broken business model&#8221;.  If Redbox&#8217;s business model is &#8220;broken&#8221;, they will be forced to change it or go out of business. But, if on a level playing field, Redbox can charge $1 per night for rentals and still make a profit, than they should be able to do so.  </p>
<p>I agree that studios should be able to charge whatever they want for their product, as long as they are doing it across the board based on standard or volume pricing.  If they charge wholesalers $11, and wholesalers are content on charging Redbox $12, and Redbox makes a profit and is happy, what is the problem?</p>
<p>What I think the studios are trying to do is make an unlevel playing field by telling kiosk owners that they can&#8217;t rent their DVDs until x days after a release, but if you are a brick-and-mortar store, or Netflix (sort of), go ahead and rent them the same day.  Do you really call that level?</p>
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